for the Social Credit
“Hope of the wicked” - Part II
Interview with Geoff Metcalf and Ted Flynn
By Geoff Metcalf
Note: We left off at the first part of the interview when Geoff Metcalf was asking Ted Flynn about a "new" One World or New Age religion. Here is the part of the questions and answers where Mr. Flynn explains the meaning of what "Gaia" is, for our benefit.)
Q: Slow down a tad. You know what I was talking about, and I know what I’m asking, but some readers are going to ask, "What the heck is ‘Gaia’?" Gaia is the earth...
A: The mother goddess...
Q: The earth as mother goddess. That is the focus, the nexus of this New World religion.
A: And what happened is a lot of this country began to move into New Age and environmentalism where earth becomes supreme. I think we should respect the earth and all of its minerals and be good stewards of it. But it’s another thing to really bow down and worship it versus man being given dominion of it. There comes responsibility with that – there comes respect – but they bring it to another level.
This concept here is so fascinating that it makes your head spin. You used the word "insurmountable." Let’s take a look at 22 great civilizations as traced by a litany of the great historians of the world. This was broken down on one page in what I call the "Three-Legged Stool" and America’s empire collapses from within.
Every civilization with no exception – the Mesopotamians, Greeks, Romans, French, British, Spanish – the first step is bondage. But we won’t elaborate on this.
Q: No need. We’ve done plenty of shows and interviews on the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service.
A: Yeah, but the point is, in bondage, the people are subject to an authority other than themselves. The next phase – and the immigrant classes can really understand this – is they come to a spiritual faith where they develop an identity through faith in God and come to have a purpose. The next is courage. They develop a sense of where they need to go to further themselves as a race – they venture out, breaking away from the shackles of their bondage. The next is freedom – they gain freedom and self rule – hard work and a sense of fulfillment bring an identity to the civilization.
Q: Then they flush it away?
A: Exactly right. Well, not quite yet, but we’re getting there. Then laws are made to govern themselves. Now as a result of the hard work and freedom – think about the United States at the turn of the century. Then we come into abundance. Hard work, identity, self-gratification and accomplishment bear fruit. Risk over generations becomes worthwhile. Now we are on the decline. That’s the zenith of the culture – the abundance. Think of the Sun Kings of France, the Victorian Age in England, maybe the height of the Roman Empire around the year 200.
Q: Then what happens?
A: Then you go into selfishness. Human nature forgets that it is God who grants favors and the lack of cooperation and aiding others less fortunate sets in as creature comforts are sought. Now think of things like television, the inane, the callous, the stupidity, the banal – night after night you are just fed absolute trash.
Q: What does that breed?
A: Apathy. Now you’ve got a cynical approach that sets in and the effort seems worthless. Take a look at kids. That’s what you see kids shooting kids about. They see no sense of identity and purpose – no struggle, nothing worthwhile, nothing greater than themselves. In abundance there is no spiritual development – thus, they lose their vision of the higher good. They become a spiritual wasteland.
Q: OK, so what is the last phase?
A: In the last phase, we have now come full circle. We have come to dependence. Tell me if this doesn’t sound like today? Laws cripple initiative. Answers are looked for in all the wrong places. There is no sense of purpose in life as ease of lifestyle is sought and civilization is conquered from without or decays from within. They are back to walking the road of bondage but they may not even realize it.
Q: As evidenced by these technological efforts to undermine privacy through computer chips and satellites. I did a story a few weeks ago where they are now talking about putting digital tracking devices on product.
A: Yeah, I actually have that in the book. It’s, in essence, a form of GPS which is so, so cheap. And you’ll know actually by who bought that – they’ve got to track the credit card to every single product bought.
Q: It costs about a buck a unit now. When they get it down to a penny a unit – and that will happen – these digital tags will replace the bar code.
A: Yeah, and if you think the government and other entities have any sort of statistical profiles on any person, wait until you see where that stuff is going to take us. After the book came out, I was ashamed I couldn’t get this in it, but I saw a quote in the Washington Times where the head of what was called the Privacy Council in Canada quit. Maybe he was a little bit of an historian to boot because he said, "I can no longer go ahead with what the government of Canada is doing." This is the president of the Privacy Council of the great country of Canada, and he said, "We have 1,200 bits of information on every living Canadian. This can be no good in the long term."
Q: It doesn’t take long to see how easy that is for a government today.
A: FICA, Medicare, Medicaid, State, Federal, your credit cards, your banks, your purchases. Anybody who thinks the junk mail coming to your home is junk needs to understand it really isn’t – it is extremely targeted information.
Q: What do they call that?
A: It is called data mining.
Q: Please explain what FEMA is. What is their authority and what is their job?
A: The Federal Emergency Management Agency is probably going to be the enforcement arm of the New World Order. Very few people could tell you that it is actually a cabinet position. By and large, a great percentage of their budget is "black ops." It’s really not on the books. You only hear of them a little bit when there are disasters. But there is a great agenda to gather information for the government in stealth.
Q: I found it significant when Rep. Henry Gonzalez, D-Texas, clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview a few years ago, he said, "the truth is yes – you do have these standby provisions, and the plans are here... whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps." They do exist.
A: They do. There are actually three levels of information on people. I believe it is Red, Green and Blue. And they keep data on different citizens. However, to a person who has been studying this, that is almost on an elementary level. The government has been doing that for years. When you look at a person’s buying patterns – or looking at "Carnivore" and the FBI or CIA and different agencies who gather information on an individual through either their e-mail and where they’re leaving "cookies" and buying patterns and what they subscribe to – it’s actually pretty simple stuff today.
Q: And this isn’t something that just happened with "Carnivore." Go back and look at "Echelon" – that thing has been around 50 years.
A: Actually it is illegal in the United States to gather information.
Q: Ted, that’s why and how the UK-USA treaty came about. Governments knew it was illegal so they said, "OK guys – England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand – we will spy on your subjects, you spy on our citizens, and we’ll then get together and trade information. But we won’t be breaking the law (wink-wink/nod-nod).
A: That’s right with contracts. In fact I put a picture in of the Northern England Echelon farm. I was even surprised 60-Minutes did a study on Echelon not too long ago. The data is beamed from England to New Zealand and then is brought in here through a contractor – which means it is all done off-budget.
Q: I wrote a piece on Echelon for WorldNetDaily in April of ‘98 and it sparked over 500 e-mails in two days.
A: This book was designed really as a bit of an overview. There are 24 chapters and each one is maybe a spoke. We’ve got stuff on the world court, FEMA, privacy, the United Nations, Gaia, the feminist movement, radical feminism, radical environmentalism, the Heritage sites, biospheres, etc. What it shows is that we are very far down the path of this New World Order / One World government / globalization – treaties, tariffs – President Clinton alone had put troops in 13 foreign nations and dispersed the U.S. military to 13 nations without a single vote from Congress.
Q: Let’s revisit your three-legged stool.
A: The goal of the New World Order is to cripple the strength of the United States – economically, politically, socially, and financially.
Q: Why? Why is that a goal?
A: We are the 900-pound gorilla and the sole remaining superpower. The goal of the one-world government people, the global elite, is to have a ruling class, a military class, and a working class. This is the Utopia of Plato. This gets into the political philosophy of why the global elite – the illumined ones – are trying to transform society. Because they believe they’ve got a better way to make civilization better.
They have to bring us down militarily. That has happened. They have to ruin our schools to dumb us down. That has happened. These are not arguable points. They are non-negotiable in terms of what has happened decade by decade – probably since the 1950s, after World War II.
Q: What do you see the next phase objective to be?
A: I believe the next phase is to destroy us economically. It’s going to be the last phase. I believe we are literally in the middle of that now.
Q: I was recently speaking with Joan Veon and she said much of the bad economic groundwork is already completed. Joan tells us soon there will be three global currencies. There will be the Dollar, the Euro and the Yen. Which is a short step away from getting to one global currency.
A: Now you’re talking about what Stalin said. He said the way to control was to break up into regions. Now he had quite a long stretch – from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok – which is 13 time zones. Think about it! It’s like from Boston to Perth, Australia. He realized the way to control was through regions. What did the United Nations do? They busted up the world into what they call ten regions. The United States has ten regions. That is, in essence, the goal of the Trilateral Commission. From Canada to Terra del Feugo: one region – "The Americas."
Q: We’ve already seen the start of that through NAFTA. Veon talks about the "American States" thing that sucks in 32 countries which will be "The America."
A: That’s back into the bigger agenda. All the way from Argentina to Canada. That’s one sphere. The next is from Ireland to the Urals. The rest is the Asian Theater. Now you have your "Trilateral." What’s happening? January 1, 2002, the Euro (European currency unit) begins to go in force and it will be traded over a three-year period commensurate with the currency of the existing country that is a member of the common market. But, in three years, the other currency – not the ECU – will be phased out. The Lira, the Franc, the Pound – everything will be phased out.
Q: Again, through incrementalism, they are achieving their objectives.
A: That is going to happen – not without some difficulty – but year by year, decade by decade.
Reprinted with permission