for the Social Credit
“Hope of the wicked” - Part I
Interview with Geoff Metcalf and Ted Flynn
The most recent Labor Day weekend meeting at the United Nations – with 168 world leaders all in one place – was the largest gathering of its kind in world history. Yet, very little in-depth news coverage accompanied the historic meeting, even though its over-arching purpose was to help further a globalist agenda that many see as dangerous to America’s and other nations’ sovereignty.
Ted Flynn has written "Hope of the Wicked: The Master Plan to Rule the World," which details many of the agendas of the "globalist community." It explores the convergence, on a global basis, of multinational corporations, foundations and the political and sociological instruments that would form a one-world government designed to bring about a New World Order. With 550 pages of text, 82 photographs and 1,200 footnotes, Flynn’s book provides a strong historical basis to show that there is a global elite working to end the sovereignty of nations and to place every person on earth under the authority of the United Nations.
Question: Is there a conspiracy to rule the world?
Answer: In my opinion it is not a conspiracy. When you defuse this question, the rest just seems to fall into place.
Q: Do you say it is not a conspiracy because it is out in the open for everyone to see?
A: The answer is yes and no.
Q: What are you – a politician?
A: Sometimes. My favorite color is plaid. I live in Washington, D.C. As I said, once you deal with your first question, things fall more neatly into place. Let’s look at it because then you will understand the social, the political, the economic, the financial and a lot of other structures.
Q: Let me just note this is a big book – over 500 pages. There is no way we can or want to cover everything in the book. However, I do want to give our readers an overview of what you do include.
A: True. If we took a cross-country ride starting in Boston and ending up in Seattle, we wouldn’t have been able to even touch all the minutiae. But when you understand the general overview, everything falls more neatly into place. The word conspiracy in Latin is "conspirae" and that means to "breathe together."
In life, there are associations – there are 60,000 associations in the Council of Associations in D.C. – from Neighborhood Watch to whatever. Then there are cartels – like OPEC – where you see what they can do with oil so that they can control and set the price. Seven Merchants of Grain – a very, very powerful organization – they are a cartel but we don’t hear much about them.
Then you get into the concept of what is a conspiracy and you look at things that are easier to understand when you see that it is a shared system or ideology. There are people who share the same ideals. That’s what we saw played out in Florida to where there was a battle – literally for the soul of America – which played out in Palm Beach but took place in a lot of other places. There were not people really conspiring on a ballot level, but what we saw were some people wanting to push an agenda forward as the way they saw the world should work.
Q: Not unlike the Chinese and their plans for hegemony?
A: Same thing. Everybody has a bit of an agenda. Now you have people who are maybe on the left who would say the people on the right are "extreme" – a constitutionalist, a John Birch Society member – where they will marginalize you for your view. That’s actually their strategy.
Q: Rather like how we attempt to marginalize those on the left for their socialist-fascist agenda?
A: Actually the extreme left and the extreme right are very, very similar because what they are really after is control. The point of this book is it is not about left or right. Because whether you have a Democrat or a Republican in office, by and large the New World Order will continue to emerge. They each have an agenda and that agenda is about control. It goes back more to human nature.
Q: There is little argument among most people that there is some group of controllers, some global collection of folks who are trying to move us in one direction toward one-world government. The names we keep hearing are the Bilderbergers, the Trilateralists, the Council on Foreign Relations – and a lot of these people are the same people. Can you explain who the players are and who really is trying to orchestrate this globalist agenda?
A: We are now going to another level of an organization – beyond the Palm Beach voter. There is no doubt when you look at the formation of the Council on Foreign Relations – which at the turn of the century was a by-product of a group of people in England at something called the Tavistock Institutem, which was part of the Royalists Institute of Foreign Affairs.
This is a very important connection. They realized it was very important to control America. They had to export and form, in essence, clubs. Because when you are at the very, very elite level, when you are at the banking level, the height of manufacturing, it doesn’t take anyone to be in the world too long or to be too old to realize that money makes the world go ‘round, and money is the root of all evil.
Q: Rothchild hit the nail on the head. He didn’t care who runs the country.
A: He just said whoever prints the money will control it. So now you’re back to the issue of control. Neither left nor right is relevant. It’s a very important point in this – because the Tavistock Institute said in the 1890s it was very important for the American people to ‘think’ they were electing a president. And, therefore, it was very good to have balance of power shift left and right, right and left, left and right – whatever.
Q: Perception versus reality!
A: Because it doesn’t make a difference really who we get. Now does it make a difference on certain issues? Certainly, yes. But with Bush, we’re going to get more corporatization – we’re going to get much more government largess going to corporations. And with Gore we would have had a much more socialistic agenda. The global elite really don’t care. We voted for who was put in front of us. Take a look at that. The Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderbergers, Club of Rome, Trilateral – the same names go in and out – it’s a revolving door. Correct?
Q: Absolutely. I was really disappointed a few years ago when I was in London. Dr. John Coleman is a big proponent of the Committee of 300 as the supreme controllers and he had mentioned to me "The Fabian Society." I was driving down the street and saw this little single door: "The Fabian Society."
A: I went to the London School of Economics. I saw a lot about it.
Q: It is a tiny, apparently insignificant nothing that allegedly wields a whole lot of power.
A: I never understood this when I was there but the symbol of the school is a turtle. This is very, very important. The communists believe that the way to change society is through an in-your-face revolution.
Q: "... through the barrel of a gun."
A: Correct. The socialists believe that is very wrong. They have a great difference of opinion on implementing policy. Therefore they have the thing of the turtle.
Q: The old joke or axiom was, "The difference between a communist and a socialist is a communist is a socialist in a hurry."
A: The socialists believe the best way to change a culture, a civilization, a way of thinking, is to infiltrate and begin to move as a member of the aristocracy, as a member of that group and infiltrate from within and use those principles. That was perfected by a man in Italy named Antonio Gramsci. The concept of infiltrating and changing from within is the socialist mentality to get where you want to go.
Q: That infiltrating of societies is really kind of a prelude to the application of incrementalism, right?
A: Right. You know: inch-by-inch, everything is a cinch. There is an agenda here because there is a way of thinking. If we were to go to a very, very elite level – which would be the spiritual level because all physical law is subordinate to that – when Christ was being tempted Satan himself came to visit him and he said, "All of the power in the world is mine to give you."
Now this book intentionally did not get into the spiritual aspects of this because, by and large, I don’t think most people pay attention to that and most people kinda glaze over. But there is spiritual reality. I find that many of the believing people can really grab this material. Because they understand the principle that we are spiritual beings. If you take a look at: Is there a God? I believe the answer is yes. What is His form of government? Throughout the world His form of government is the Church – through good people.
Q: Is there a Satan?
A: I think the answer is yes. What are Satan’s instruments for implementation in governments? Nobody can answer these questions until you can begin to come to those – that’s what we explore in this book. All of the different entities – that I do not believe are satanic by any stretch – have an agenda that is not necessarily that of God.
Q: When you talk about the intrusion of the United Nations agenda, a lot of people tend to say, "Hey, the United Nations – it doesn’t affect me – I don’t care." However, they don’t realize how insidious the tentacles are – and how far-reaching they are. Right now, they are talking about a global tax, a global court – they are trying to put together a global army – none of that stuff is coincidental.
A: That’s exactly right. If you look at the charter of the United Nations – and you had a lobotomy – you would say, "Gee, that looks really great." A lot of it even looks good on paper – it’s like communism." The 18 year old goes off to college and suddenly takes a course on communism and they think we should all be communists because it works on paper. However, it just doesn’t work in the marketplace. It just doesn’t work out there.
Q: And a lot of these same allegedly intelligent people when faced with the reality that it has never worked anywhere keep saying, "Yeah, but that’s just because they haven’t done it right yet."
A: Exactly right. I remember the first time I went into Eastern Europe, I was in school as an undergraduate in Europe. I went into Czechoslovakia and I said, "Oh my God! How did they buy this lie?" Then from 1990 to 1994, I was going into the Soviet Union on business – these were Third-World nations with armies. They were Fourth-World nations the way they lived – no toilets or indoor plumbing – it was unbelievable the way they were living in parts of Ukraine and Russia. It looked good on paper.
This is what the United Nations is – they are selling the people of the world a bill of goods. We already just got a World Court – Clinton put us into the Hague for a World Court. We’re marching down a path of globalization, one-world government, a New World order. It’s not emerging – it’s actually here with a vengeance already. Due to the incrementalism of year-by-year, decade-now-after-decade, we don’t even know that we’re numb anymore. We have been sold a bill of goods so strenuously, so stridently, so perfectly – we are dealing here on a level of unadulterated genius.
Q: Ted, can you talk briefly to the symbiotic connection between the "New Age" movement, environmentalism, and the Gaia religion thing they are peddling?
A: They are all tied in.
Q: That’s why I lumped them together in one question.
A: I have to tell you – the reason I did the book is I’ve been studying this, observing, watching it. But it wasn’t one of these fascinations where I’d turn on the light and read every night about things happening in stealth and as you say "bump in the night." It was just something that I observed from travelling, from watching, from reading. And you see things year after year and you begin to put things together.
Several years ago, my daughter had a thesis that they had to deliver at the school she was at. She chose "Germany, 1900 to 1939" – the day Hitler marched into Poland – and "The United States from 1960 to 1997." When I saw a series of tapes (which is why she did this subject) the similarities between Germany and the United States were so parallel, it was absolutely frightening. That’s when I decided I needed to do the book.
Q: And a lot of that isn’t by accident. I’ve done the exercise and I keep threatening I’ll write the piece and haven’t done it yet. But if you take the U.S. Declaration of Independence – in which they list all the grievances the founders had against King George and make a parallel list of the grievances we have against our federal government – you find yourself scratching your head and asking, "When are they going to ride?"
A: Civilizations go in cycles. There is a lot of research here. This book has 1,200 footnotes and several thousand total quotes. This is really where the world leaders – the prime ministers, the secretaries of treasury, the secretaries of state of the world – really want to bring the world. The heads of government, philanthropy, business, on a global basis, wish to bring it – and this is in their words.
Q: The reality check is, as insidious as this is, as ubiquitous as it is, the ability to arrest it, to stop it, to unplug it is just about insurmountable, isn’t it?
A: Well, it is insurmountable because this is going to run a path and if there is one single point in the book that is probably the most fascinating, it is really the part that you just addressed about the New Age movement. The point about Germany is that New Age, environmentalism, and, in essence, Gaia, is that civilization began to do what is right in their own eyes.